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LA Battlecruiser by AStepIntoOblivion LA Battlecruiser by AStepIntoOblivion
For Ironside Industrial,

I've been guilty of using your ship as an example of why I think the judging was unfair as well. I have no excuses really, except that I'm sorry. :(

Remember, even when other people look at your art and see nothing but a bunch of lines. I see this.

Don't give up. :)

EDIT: I just realized I switched some of the details in the center >.< Not the fault of the concept, but my own rush.

P.S. frak that contest. Haha. I'm done with it. If there's anything I want now it's that you get reinstated. Both sides treated you horribly, when you really had no control over it.

P.P.S. And I suck at apologies. So yeah... it's awkward. :B But I really mean it.

P.P.P.S. I realize this might be taken the wrong way as well. I don't care about pageviews, favs, etc. If anyone wants to host it instead of me, feel free to download it and pm me so I can delete this, heh. I surrender all rights to this.

P.P.P.P.S. This isn't about my work or my skills. There is a reason why I purposely did not include my name anywhere in the image.
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T-F-O-I Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it's a giant catalyst destroyer
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Sphygmomanometer Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2010
Commendable, but regarding the "stopping a meme" idea: too late I fear, my noble friend.

I can already see the reverse "LABC < Tornado" becoming the EVE Online equivalent to "Han shot first"

Plus, it would make for a nice, inscrutable T-shirt slogan. I can already imagine other Eve players (total strangers) giving me the secret Masonic handshake as we assiduously avoid eye contact in a bank queue or on the bus...
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LadyArha Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010
You got the skills, yet the original in all shape and creativity is....well lacking. Simply by the fact it looks like a gun with a twisted loader.
Idk, i again respect your 3D skills, and ofcourse the good way u used to apologise to this guy it is admirable, but simply the design wasnt a winner for many many reasons.
Just my opinion.

And poor guy :/
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forte805 Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2010
In memory of IronsideIndustrial. May he find love out there in the harsh internet some day
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DeviBrigard Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
It's nice to see someone acknowledge the part they played and attempt to make up for it. And when you can't actually talk to him, this tribute is about all you can do to. I hope people recognise this.
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Mecinia Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
Good work mate on realizing his design. I hope he sees it, and I hope he changes his mind and comes back :)
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mietzu Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010  Professional General Artist
You win the internet for this sir!
Well done, well done indeed!

I never said that the design was bad but i still stand by the fact that its execution was flawed AND it was not terribly original (we already have Catalysts)

Your rendition nailed it imho.

Id fly it.

btw if you want to add it to my EVE Victory Lap project [link] , please feel free to send me the model (will not be used except for the Victory Lap Project)
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TranquilRuins Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm really happy someone has done this, I feel bad about all the negatives he's received, though it should have only been at the judges. Well done A StepIntoOblivion I hope Ironside sees it. I can actually imagine it as a gate patrolling ship...
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Burhtun Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010   Digital Artist
Aww. You're like the nicest dude in the world to do that for him. But be honest. It was so vague and basic you had to take quite a bit of creative license with it, and even with that it still isn't an interesting design. It looks like a part of a ship or an antenna or something.

I feel bad for the guy too though. I was completely perplexed when his design showed up in the final 15... but theres being honest with someone and then theres flat out being mean. He shouldn't give up on drawing space ships and things if thats what he wants to do. Also it was lame to tell the dude he won something then yank it away. I agree, frak that contest.
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AlfD Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
I think it would be nice if L.A. Battlecruiser is included in game, regardless of the final outcome of the contest.
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
Create your own game and include it in, if you want, but don't suggest things you are not familiar with - such approach already messed contest (rules just dug deeper grave for it).
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AlfD Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
I meant it in the sense of a "reparation" to Ironside Industrial. Ultimately ,if it is and "icludable" design or not, that is only CCP staff to decide.

Anyway, if needed, they could make any major changes they want to the design if they shall decide to include it (like is stated in the rules, btw)
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
>I meant it in the sense of a "reparation" to Ironside Industrial.

CCP have nothing to do with it - it's DA fault. So I can't see any reason for CCP to reparate someone's emoragequit by pissing off their player base.
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AlfD Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
"...by pissing off their player base..."

...like i said they can heavy modify the LA-B in any degree they want to make it "better", "includable" to EVE. They could even make a new battlecruiser design from scrap and just name it anyway they want after the "L.A." initials.

Although CCP is not directly responsible for DA's judging, at least it shares certain degree of responsability for it -they agreed DA judges select the 15 semifinalist, and the terms of that agreement, whatever they where, led to this mess.
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
Then there was no point in such event from the start. I'm pretty sure CCP can draw lines, curves and boxes themselves. At least they wanted creative composition from entries, then why should they pick up such ordinarity? We all can whine and ragequiting (it don't require artistic skill or heavy thought) - but it does not make our designs notable. :)
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AlfD Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
"then why should they pick up such ordinarity?"

And we ran in a circle! If i say that LAB could be "included in game, regardless of the final outcome of the contest", i say this: 3 winners will have their -supposedly- best, magnificent, most creative and beautifull designs included in-game. LAB will not be between those 3 -his entry has been disqualified. Regardless of that, comes the need of a "reparation" to Ironside Industrial. I think a possible way to do it is to "suit" the LAB into EVE somehow (change it, modify it, make it better, different, change it until almost unrecognition, whatever) and include it in-game.
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
I just can't get your logic: you've already been told, that this entry wouldn't be in finalist anyway (even if he stayed in semifinal). Yet you propose make him a winner (who get his ship in game) just because of his ragequit. 0_o

And why CCP? Make AD to bulid bronze monument for him or something...
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
I assure you that I understand meaning of such work. My commentaries were mostly for others, who could use your work as justification semifinalists. "Catalyst" is example of jury's "deep knowledge" EVE-universe: absence of attention to concepts already existing in game could say a lot about judging.
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
Hah misanswered :) See other comment.
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PINARCI Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
well done .
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djomally Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
most excellent!!! :D
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
It suck either way. But take a cookie for trying :)
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RedNovember Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
This, to be honest.
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
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AStepIntoOblivion Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
Yes I know it looks like a Caldari Catalyst. Yes I know it wasn't the best of designs. Yes I'm angry at the judges and DA for the most idiotic judging ever in the history of contests and for putting him in that position and not even having the balls to defend him. Never thought DA could be this evil someday, I guess that comes with money and growth, eh?

But frankly, I couldn't care less anymore. I just won't be joining any other DA contest ever again.
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
I just hope your talent will not go in wane and you will work with CCP directly (yes I'm egoistical one :) ).
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AStepIntoOblivion Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
Heh, as I said, this isn't about me. As badly as I need a job right now. ;D Someday, mebbe *starry eyes*
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
Try to use this [link] open form to show your interest in cooperation. Maybe something will come (You wouldn't know for sure if you are not trying).
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AStepIntoOblivion Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
Still rebuilding my portfolio atm. Someday in the near future tho. Thanks. :)
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Stavridas Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
There is word "outsourcing" and you obviously have internet-connection, so I think it's not so hard with your level of skillz. ;)
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musical-ecstasy Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
great work, i hope he see's this :)
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NorellaAngelique Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This looks great & it was so nice of you to do it.
Awesome job on making his design come to life.
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jaime9526 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
well done, this was a nice thing to do, and I hope he gets to see it too. Maybe you can get one of the admins to email him, and see if he can be persuaded back so he can have this too.

There is hope in the world after all.

It is as you say a shame he isn't around to see it, and it was really nice of you to do it.
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MorbiusMonster Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
A memorial piece? I congratulate you.
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Nym182 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
With this piece of work you just gave the physical proof that all of the 15 semi entries can be turned into soemthing absolutely astonishing! I always said that the idea behind the deign is more important that the design itslef, and that perspective is everything.... now I bet 50bucks that 90% of the people that flamed the news section could not see the potential that you materialized in this design!
My God! I would vote for this to rank number 1 in the finals! You have my respect! I wish IronsideIndustrial could see this!
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Yuuki-Katana Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
Great execution ! :D I still see this as a new kind of p.o.s. more than a ship however. But hey, what a nice way to say "sorry" :D Kudos :)
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ikarus-tm Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
i still see just a bunch of lines
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generalraccoon Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Professional Filmographer
OK, will admit I wasn't too sure on the idea or design of the LABC at first, though having seen these, while still probably not so 'EVE', it looks like quite a decent starship.

Thus it is really a sad thing that he left, and hopefully, with this work among other things, might one day bring him back
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hitman777 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
Really Nicely done, I hope that Ironside gets to see this picture and realizes that there is quite bit of potential in his idea.

ps. Which program did you use?
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bogdancovaciu Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
Is a fact tat ~AStepIntoOblivion made a grate job with this ship and IronsideIndustrial had more impressive work on his gallery.
This ship continues to not impress me as a design concept or "dream ship"; if you take the big shape of it looks like a door handle for me. The amount of details, made me think that was allot of work put into it and was well distributed the usage of each detail. That's all.
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Xanatos4 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
Amazing Man! (The Fact I Cant Believe someone thought about making it the best way it could) XDXDXD

Now I definetely cant blame the outcome of that design although it wasnt great XDXDXD
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2010
Remove the signature and I would totally support that, as I would have supported the original, IF it didn't have the signature.

Not only is it cool, it fits the game... no question. The issue was that he didn't follow the rules, with the original.
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jaime9526 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i can believe you would have done, but a lot of people slagged it off for slagging it offs sake, and then picked up on the signature as a way to have it removed.
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
Jaime, frankly you should be an administrator here, your responses are the most respectful and responsible and intelligent I have seen so far.

They were wrong to cry foul based on the merits of the art. That is taste and opinion and cannot be questioned, his model, choice and design fit all of the criteria. I felt as bad for Iron as I did for myself for blowing it on rules issues. I just willingly yanked my stuff because I play fair.

* Note doesn't mean I fight fair :) LOLZ

o7 Salute :)
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jaime9526 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks I think,but I am as capable of giving a snarky reply as the next human :)

I have no idea why you would feel a need to yank your stuff though.

Have fun, and all of this will be behind soon enough.
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010
I wanted to be sure there was no way I could be selected after all this started.

I knew that my point of view would stir enough trouble without the potential that people would think I just wanted to be selected.

I wouldn't even resubmit if they totally started over at this point.
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jaime9526 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I haven't taken mine down, but after all the furore I probably won't go near similar design/contests for a while.
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Xaxos Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010
I'm gonna repost mine on my Google site. My goals at this point are to see what happens and apply pressure as I can. If someone would step up and answer us we might be able to reach an agreement and go away.

I appreciate your friendly adversarial position, we need that from the site owners, and its just not forthcoming...not to argue, but to be heard.

I'll enter contests where I have a chance, I'm not afraid to lose Jaime, as you shouldn't be afraid of the potential for conflict or confrontation, and you don't seem to be with me. It is the challenges of our lives that make us who we are, not the warm comforts of our day to day. Choose a crusade, gather your soldiers and fight man! Not for the sake of the war, but for the ones to weak or silent to fight it themselves.

So many Modern fables has taught us this, even Clerks! LOL 300, fight club, american History X, Tombstone, heroic tales were people fought for stupid reasons or no reason, or just basic rights. This is smaller by far LOL, but no less contentious.

Grab a torch and bear it to the dark, and let no man nor beast cause you to lay it down, or darken its light. Light is Fact, and Truth. Hold it with dignity and it will guide and protect you.


Just ranting.. if you laugh.. know that I am too.
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jaime9526 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
fight club was about a mad man, and most of it was in his head xD

but I get your point.

I am not actually adversarial unless people are just being insulting, or bending the facts to suit your viewpoint...or just plain making them up.

I actually don't think you have done any of these things lately than I can recall lol.

I just want the whole shebang done with...pick three winners, from the fifteen finalists, tell us who they are so we can congratulate them (though given the reaction, maybe don't tell us, just tell them) and then we can all get on with something else, and the drama queens and trolls can go find some other buffet to pick over. :)

good luck :)
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jarond Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2010
I see that you fixed up the parts of his model sheet that were unclear.

its not just the 3d model, I like that it doesn't have a random spike in it on the side view that was no where else.

if only he just ignored the meanies and took real advice to heart to get better.

thanks for showing how polish can make a design a lot better.

poor guy he acts like people hated him when we just hated the judges : (
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